A new meme is sweeping the internet.

It’s based on the hit reality show American Chopper, which featured a father and son constantly arguing while running a custom motorcycle business and frequently included screaming, chair throwing and other kinds of dramatic reality show antics.

And now, a five-frame meme of one of those fights is fueling a perfect meme, with users filling in their own captions to give context to the fight.

And though there are a lot of really funny ones, one that is getting a lot of attention features an argument over what is seemingly a massive plot hole from the Lord of the Rings films: Why didn’t those eagles just fly the Hobbits all the way to Mordor?

Both sides make great points, but we think Paul Jr. wins this round. It would have saved time AND lives!