This just in—the newest way for hipsters to listen to their music is actually quite old. As reported by NBC nightly news, the cassette is making its comeback. While it hasn’t quite hit has hard as the vinyl craze, the numbers are impressive. A Springfield, Missouri-based tape manufacture called National Audio Company reports having sold more than 20 million cassette tapes. (20 million!) Kinda insane to think about it. (Seriously, who knew that there were that many tape players still in existence?) But it’s also nice to hear from someone like National Audio Company president who owes his success to “stubbornness and stupidity.” Check out the full video segment below.