Filmmaker Mel Gibson recently sat down with megachurch pastor and author Joel Osteen and discussed the direction of his upcoming follow-up to The Passion. Osteen asked Gibson if the movie would be about the resurrection, and Gibson replied, “Yeah, I think so … We were talking about it. We’re getting into some interesting areas on this that, between the Crucifixion and the Resurrection, like, what was going on in there.”

Gibson also said that the challenge of telling this kind of Bible story is approaching it from an angle that will be surprising:

You do it so that it surprises. You do it so that it enlightens. Just some kind of telling, some kind of rendering that suffices is just not good enough. It has to be dug deep for and it has to have, in its image and its sound and its visual, it has to be able to delve to places that people have never even thought before, I think, on a theological level.

The full interview will air on Osteen’s SiriusXM channel on Friday.